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If you build a project based on RunUO...

BardFreedom

Wanderer
oh ya ya. and eWoW is based on leaked off server muahaha. and I'm Yuri Romanov. i came to make total communism all over the world

Actually not to float to far off topic but I have always wondered if anyone but me has noticed this possibility

1. Communism is based on everyone making the same amount of income no matter what you did or how hard you work.

2. In every communist structure to date there always seems to ba an "elitist caste" meaning some group that makes "more" than everyone else within the structure, thus communism has only been a sociol economic brain fart and has yet to actually excist in a puritanical form that some would claim.

3. personally I believe communism is code for what I call "hive" structure meaning = a royal caste, soldier caste , and drone caste.

Art of psychological war rule #1=You have recieved everything you have been given, this includes information. Donot question what you recieve, for that is certain. Question what you have been given as the giver may have an agenda, and that is not always as certain.-BardFreedom
 

Aeolus

Sorceror
RunUO Project Manager

If you build a project based on RunUO...
GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE.

How can you do this you say?

If you host a shard... link back to RunUO.com

Here's the HTML to do it:

Code:

<!-- Runuo Start --> <center><a href="http://www.runuo.com" target="_blank"> <img src="http://www.runuo.com/images/poweredby.gif" border=0 alt="Powered by RunUO"></a> </center> <!-- Runuo End -->
I never new about this... It is now displayed on my site as well:) , though it's never been a secret that my shard runs on RunUO. Thanks for all your work guys.;)
 

Konnar

Wanderer
As long a DrNexus was making WoWWoW he stated that his Project is based on RunUO on his website but then he disappeared around januar 2006 and Driller continued the the WoWWoW Project and made a new site and all credit to RunUo disappeared.
 

Cerberus

Wanderer
Kirin-Man said:
Maybe someone should adress him on that?

No point ..

Driller has taken the project underground because he didnt like the fact that someone at blizzhackers decompiled the core and released it ..
bit ironic really when you consider they decompiled the RunUo core and changed it round a little to suit their needs...
Funny thing is though .. WowwoW is based off the RunUo 1.0 core if im not mistaken .... wasnt this closed source ? which would mean they really did screw RunUo over by decompiling the core.

All the links i had for WowwoW's website are now dead .. Driller refuses to release any more betas publically BUT Blizzhackers have decided to use their decompiled core and take the project forward themselves ( still using the RunUo core ) and still no credit given to RunUo for the advanced work done in the actual core.
 

Icon

Wanderer
Joeku said:
RunUO 1.0 was closed-source at one point in time.

No I think you are mistaken runuo rc0 (before 1.0 was released) was closed source Ryan was gloating about 1.0 going to be an OSI standard. Everyone thought he meant EA OSI standard and he was referring to Open source . The day 1.0 came out the source code was also available as well.


Hk
 

3aGLe28

Wanderer
yes, i just wanted to say, i dont think that DrNexus put it in, i belive it was introduced by someone else.
Oh and i didnt read everything, but ewow has nothing to do with wowwow :rolleyes:
 

Fresshness

Wanderer
i forgot said:
who cares really. it's the internet. runuo is a free program that freely gives out it's source. When you give out your source, you just lost the right to be mad if someone uses it.

I fully agree, you can call me a moron all day long, but the fact to the matter is that RunUO is GPL, they don't need to say it is derived from RunUO, they just need to send the modified source-code back to the RunUO owners. Read the GPL license!

If you really were THAT worried about not getting credit of derived work, you should have never embraced the GPL license.
 

Kirin-Man

Sorceror
Fresshness said:
I fully agree, you can call me a moron all day long, but the fact to the matter is that RunUO is GPL, they don't need to say it is derived from RunUO, they just need to send the modified source-code back to the RunUO owners. Read the GPL license!

If you really were THAT worried about not getting credit of derived work, you should have never embraced the GPL license.

Doesn't matter, it's the principal that people should just give the frickin credit where it's damn well due.
Can't take a program, say it's all your own work, when it isn't. GPL or not, it's about giving the fuckin' credit.

Put it this way. You script a system, distribute it here. Someone else takes it, changes something very insignificant, and says it's thier own work. I think I'd be pretty fuckin' pist!

So you can just imagine how Ryan feels.
 

Fresshness

Wanderer
Kirin-Man said:
Put it this way. You script a system, distribute it here. Someone else takes it, changes something very insignificant, and says it's thier own work. I think I'd be pretty fuckin' pist!

So you can just imagine how Ryan feels.

I fully understand, and I would indeed be a little miffed, but you see, I can totally evade that situation by
a) making the license *NOT* GPL, LGPL, Public Domain or Freeware (btw; isn't it stated somewhere on these forums, that once you published a script here, it automaticly is considered Public Domain).
b) compiling/encoding/encrypting the source so you don't give away the source

If you know about these things and still proceed, it really is your own fault for not doing so.

It's like putting your holiday pictures on the internet and later complaining that half of the world has seen your 'less-than-bikini' pictures.

I'm sorry to say, but it's your own fault.
 

Cerberus

Wanderer
Fresshness said:
I fully understand, and I would indeed be a little miffed, but you see, I can totally evade that situation by
a) making the license *NOT* GPL, LGPL, Public Domain or Freeware (btw; isn't it stated somewhere on these forums, that once you published a script here, it automaticly is considered Public Domain).
b) compiling/encoding/encrypting the source so you don't give away the source

If you know about these things and still proceed, it really is your own fault for not doing so.

It's like putting your holiday pictures on the internet and later complaining that half of the world has seen your 'less-than-bikini' pictures.

I'm sorry to say, but it's your own fault.

Unfortunately the version of RunUo they used appears to have been closed source so arguing about the GPL is totally useless..
no matter what way you look at it they still took the code and tried to pass it off as their own work ..
no matter what type of coloured glasses you wear to look at life this is still wrong.
They should not lie and try to pass off other peoples work as their own ( wether they stole it or not )
they should at least have the decency to credit the original authors even if it was just to add a footnote to their website saying "this only resembles RunUo as we had a look at their code for some pointers"
The fact that they did not do this just goes to prove that they either dont give a shit what anyone thinks of them or that they are in total ignorance of the fact that this is based on RunUo source .. and if this is the case they should have took the time to find this out before they started making claims about the WowwoW emu.
The fact that some of the WowwoW devs have even come into this thread and tried to plead ignorance just goes to show what they really think rather than offer to put in a footnote saying "thank you" all we have heard so far is " point to the parts you wrote and prove their your creation "
No wonder they went underground with this project.. what they should really have said was were going underground because we havnt got a clue how to do this and we need time to rip off someone elses work and make it look like we have built a proper emu by ourselves.

As iv said before the only honest member of the dev team there was Dr Nexus who for reasons of his own left the project, at least he had the decency to credit RunUO and admit he used its core as a roadmap for his own emu. the rest of the team there seem to be wearing some kind of +100 cloak of ignorance with a +50 ring of indifference just for show.

Sorry WowwoW but until you post an apology here to RunUo and start to give credit were credits due then i wont have a nice thing to say about anyone involved there. and i think since the exit of Dr Nexus no one there is willing to take enough responsibility to do this. Get off your ass Driller and finally do something for the community and face the facts... YOUR EDITING RunUo code and claiming it yours.
 
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